I knew there would be some talk of this. Abort abort isn't that extreme. A similar word that I found more interesting was cocappendage (equivalent to our slightly less Aristotlean coctail). The vision of these supralogical category mongers teetotallin about the great expanse was more than my slight experience could acceptably fathom.
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> From: peter@stycx.hacktic.nl (Author)
> Date: 20 Nov 92 14:43:19 GMT
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> I've been reading that there would be a number of underground facilities
>
> for use by aliens in Arizona and New Mexico. Notably these facilities
> would have been contructed underneath Native American Reservations. Is
> there anyone out there who happens to know which reservations? Also I
> would be interested to see if some of you, living in Arizona and New
> Mexico, who have more information on this.
The stuff that you refer to is highly unreliable insofar as whether there are underground "alien" bases located in these places. One of the most controversial and most-talked about is Dulce, New Mexico located on the Colorado-New Mexico border. Allegedly Paul Bennewitz discovered this base along with other persons who claim to have independent corroboration to its reality. But, there has never been any proof that there is even an underground facility there. Dulce has had numerous reports of lights and
a couple of cattle mutilations around the place, but remember that this area is close to where a lot of mutilations and sightings occurred (Colorado-New Mexico). I know of several people who have been to the Dulce area, but none of them have ever found anything.
> The thing sounds pretty wild to me, but I commited myself to an open
> mind
> and a 'bann' on the word impossible.
As Joe Nickell once said, "While we should be open to new ideas, we should not wish to become as open as, say, a refuse can." From Secrets of the Supernatural. Nuff said. :-)
> : I suggest we have a whip round so that we can hire someone to pay a
> visit
> : to Mr J Winston.
> : On their arrival their duty would be to shove the largest object in
> the
> : vicinity down his THROAT!
> : JOHN - YOU'RE DOING OUR HEADS IN, AND WE WISH YOU WERE DEAD.
> : fis@evil.demon.co.uk
> Well said.
> I never thought that a kill file would be so necessary, and have
> tolerated
> many different opinions on the net. However, the stupid postings of JW
> have incensed me to the point that the first (and only) pattern in my
> kill
> file has become *_-_*. Now, if only I could filter the threads that
> include
> his postings, too.
With the persistence that this fellow has, I wonder sometimes if he doesn't have an "agenda." Perhaps it is wiser to just ignore him altogether. Has anyone ever asked him for a bio and then checked it thoroughly?
Subject: Re: Past Life regression - the proof (was GSI Day)
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In response to the condensed article regarding reincarnation being backwards...
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There was a very famous sleeping prophet which I hope some of you have heard
of named Edgar Cayce. He lived in the earlier 1900's and prophesized for
almost 40 years. His prophecies, advice, and teachings covered every possible
topic from _How to get rid of blisters_ to _What is the soul_. He is quite
famous for his beliefs and explanantions of reincarnation. The previous
mentioned article is very narrow and unaware of this mans accepted views
on reincarnation.
Basically, the previous explanantion of why we reincarnate is close enough
to use. The one thing I would add is that according to Cayce our souls are
basically a way for _God_ to grow, or what ever you want to call this higher
power (Believe me I am far from a God or Jesus freak!). A soul is a small
slice, or piece, of God which can grow through multiple life experiences.
When this has grown to its most mature, pure form it strengthens and builds
_God_.
To continue, the big difference from this article and Cayce, is the way we
continue to come back. We do not go from living in ditches, to a palace, then
back to God. Our soul returns in whatever form (human only), at whatever time
with whatever experiences planned, as it finds necessary to learn and expand
some specific things or everything. For example I read of one old women whom
had a life reading and was told that she was an advanced soul, but was returned
to her current life in order to learn and understand the feeling of _family_.
In past lifes she had often been a commanding, man and did not know the
emotion and love of _family_. In this life she was a great mother and grand
mother. One friend of mine who had a past life reading has had over 2,000
previous lifes, and one women I know (a psychic) has had less than 150.
There are many books about Edgar Cayce, many about specific topics he prophesized about. Some of his other famous topics include the past civiliz- ation of Atlantis, Healing/Medicine, and the coming of new ages and cycles.
By the way, we are near the end of a 40 year testing period as we fade in to
the next age (each lasting 2,000 years). I believe we are going from the
age of Pisces to Aquarius (or vice versa). Each age has a new leader (model)
such as Christ in the latest age. Depending on how we respond to the test
will depend on how we become introduced to the new age. Look at all of the
incredible man made and natural events occuring lately, and the state of the
nations! We will probably be ending the testing between 1996-1998 and
will experience considerable natural and man made changes in our world.
This will probably include nuclear war, reversing of the poles, new oceans
and new lands (and disappearing ones also!).
Please do not be narrow minded. It astounds me that people fight so hard to
prove that the only existence is what we have right in front of us from one
minute to the next - that we are limited to 5 senses only. What is everyone
afraid of? Reading some of Edgar Cayces material may very well make you
a believer, and give you insight as well as long term hope.
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> I just finished that book yesterday. His theories and hoaxes are
> harder to believe than the stories reported. For those of you that
> have NOT read the book, Vallee believes that most UFO reports are
> true actual physical events, but that they are "staged" by the various
> intelligence groups around the world to cover up other activities.
> For example if the economy is bad, then stage a huge UFO hoax to take
> people's attention off the recession.
I disagree with your assessment of what Vallee is trying to say. That can be a part of it, for example the discovery of the UMMO-cult being part of an eastern bloc intelligence network. However, he is saying that there appears to be a control mechanism of some sort involved in the phenomenon, but it operates from a background position, perhaps using people in some capacity, either knowingly or not, to execute its agenda. "It" being the control factor, whatever that is. Suffice it to say that whatever i
s going on, it has many, many layers and no one is able to actually conceive just how complex it really is. There can be some action on the part of a covert intelligence group that could stage abductions or sightings for that matter utilizing some bizarre advanced technology like laser-generated holograms, and a host of other things involving drugs, mind control techniques and whatever to achieve a purpose.
> I have to say that I think the guy is caught between a rock and a hard
> place, because he admits time and time again in his book that these
> UFO happenings are "real" because he has researched them himself.
> He's seen the evidence and talked first hand to the witnesses, but on
> the other-hand he does not want to admit that there are any Aliens, so
> he's trying to sell this half-baked theory about the sightings and
> abductions as actual physical events that are staged by covert
> government agencies.
> It sounds convincing in the book but when you stand-back and think
> about it then it's quite absurd. Why didn't the US send a UFO to
> abduct Saddam Hussein instead of all those troops? Why didn't Bush
> have Clinton abdcuted by Aliens and told too drop out of the
> Presidential race? Why don't we send a UFO to Somalia with food?
I feel that Vallee is one of the most accurate thinkers studying this field. He is a scientist and has solid credentials. He does not get bogged down in the half-baked pseudo-religious/scientific cult-like thinking so prevalent in the field. He deals with actual case studies and hard data, drawing some theories from that.
Regarding the UFO march to demand disclosure of information...
I would really like to believe that a march, a demand, or anything short of
cracking the CIA/Government safes would make a difference.
I am very frustrated, and have to wonder whats going on, with all of the obviouscover ups. However, I almost have to throw my hands up and give up on the
hopes of finding any REAL truth from the government.
If they do "release" anything, it is only going to be another piece of
conspiracy. Two good examples would be the JFK and Vietnam/POW issues.
The government realizes one day that even the "dumb" citizens are beginning
to see through poorly planned cover ups so they announce an "uncovering"
of hidden information, which we all draw to like flies, crying "Finally!".
We only end up further bluffed. They just did this with this big exploration
in Vietnam saying that they have confirmed that all POWs are definitely dead
and gone. They even want to award Vietnam for their assistance!
I know this is not a very constructive attitude. But it does say one thing:
we really need to explore completely different routes to find the truth.
In article <141236.2B16D939@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) writes:
>I feel that Vallee is one of the most accurate thinkers studying this field. He is a scientist and has solid credentials. He does not get bogged down in the half-baked pseudo-religious/scientific cult-like thinking so prevalent in the field. He deals with actual case studies and hard data, drawing some theories from that.
>
>Mike
>
Athough I do respect Mike and the work he does, even if he doesn't alway
return my email;-)...
I must disagree with his opinion here, and I am quite vocal about it.
Vallee to me, is not to be trusted. I feel it is highly likely that he
is an intelligence operative, and that is why his "research" conclusions
can be highly contradictory and confusing. When I read his books, I get
the impression of a highly logical person that understands compters, with
an axe to grind (to persuade and confuse us), who is very narrow minded in
his views of the makeup of reality and the possiblilies that "reality" would
encompass.
I don't trust his opinions for a nanosecond.
If you want a believable author, read Goode, Lindemann, Stevens, or Howe.
These people impress me as much more open, human, and unconstrained by
a "logic" that is entirely anthropromorphic in nature.
And, if Cooper is correct, and Project Grudge Report #13 was written by Hynek,
then Vallee's early carrer ties with Hynek place his credibilty as highly